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Christ ActuallyI suppose as an agnostic hedging my bets I suppose it is somewhat difficult to take on a scholarly text dealing with Jesus and Christianity The main disadvantage is vocabulary terminology and religious historical context But I stayed with Carroll s argument for the Jesus and God he sees or understands I have to say I am convinced by his argument AND VIEW OF JESUS AS A SERVANT OF THE view of Jesus as a servant of the and oppressed the champion of non violence and of the and oppressed the champion of non violence and focus of community awareness and cooperation Our modern tendencies toward selfishness and narcissism sadly deviate from these rinciples allowing the distortions of history to validate such male dominated individual and collective behaviors that have aided antisemitism and other forms of bigotry devolving into wars of destruction with Holocaust and Hiroshima end results What I learned from this readingJesus was born lived and died a Jew He was a man though followed as a divine being Antisemitism among Christians was induced through historical inventions and distortions The Romans were brutal and responsible the first Jewish Holocaust circa 70 ADThe Nazi s responsible for the 2nd circa 1940 ADA male dominated Church was not consistent with Jesus teachings or #interactions with his followersDietrich Bonhoeffer a Lutheran theologian died defending Jews during WWIIDorothy Day a nun who was founding editor of #with his followersDietrich Bonhoeffer a Lutheran theologian died defending Jews during WWIIDorothy Day a nun who was founding editor of Catholic Worker and an anti war anti nuclear weapons De obotliga optimisternas klubb protestor was a living example of what it means to embody the essence of Christ the imitation of Christ or Christ actuallyrobably not that interesting if you don t answer to a vague self description as christianas a reading experience i d robably give this a 35 4 i think carroll gives human beings too much credit if anything there is a bit of repetition and some of the speculative assages necessarily speculative but still speculative are unsatisfying simply because there s nothing anyone can be sure of but i really dug the overall message act like jesus the guy not the god and it doesn t really matter what you think about divinity or life everlasting you will have solved something Fatal Dive: Solving the World War II Mystery of the USS Grunion permanent and important about making the world around you better andace martin buber all real living is meeting that world is made Code Name: Silence pretty much exclusively of your connections with other human beings this was a nice and welcome antidote to some spiritual weariness i d been feeling sparked my imagination and made me think about history in a new way also nice to read a book about christology that gives alausible rebuttal to some of the unpleasant misogyny that creeps into the NT anyway i will see you outside in the world good job james carroll A Review of James Carroll s bookChrist Actually The Son of GodFor the Secular AgeBy Greg CusackDecember 6 2014James Carroll is a gentleman of my generation and as my friend Ken Wolf has Und Schuf Mir Einen Götzen: Lehrjahre Eines Kommunisten pointed out from his reading of Carroll experienced similar rites ofassage as This is the best book when it comes to looking at Jesus Christ through the Historical Jesus lens This book talked about all the things that my history side was in conflict with the spiritual and belief side This book is not for a layman reader I have a degree in secondary education History and enough religion classes from evangelical churches and Bible college under my belt that it was a retty easy read With all the written this is an opinionated book and I did not agree with everything but it is extremely well researched I was motivated to read this book after reading Carroll s novel The Cloister which tells the story of Peter Abelard and in the rocess highlights the scourage of Christian anti Semitism in the 15th century Christ Actually begins with the Holocaust and the struggles of imprisoned Lutheran theologian Dietrich Bonhoeeffer who grappled with the meaning and relevance of Christ in a Margery Meets the Roses post Naziost Holocaust world and asked who is Christ actually for us today While acknoledging the great contributions the Church has made to the world over the centuries Carroll grapples with the horrific acts of violence inspired by religion in the 20th century the Holocaust Hiroshima 911 and The overarching ur. A New York Times bestselling and widely admired Catholic writer explores how we can retrieve transcendent faith in modern times Critically acclaimed and bestselling author James Carroll has explored every aspect of Christianity faith and Jesus Christ except this central one What can we believe about and how can we believe in Jesus in the twenty first century in light of the Holocaust and other atrocities of the twentieth century and the drift from religi. Pose of the book is to revisit the life AND STORY OF JESUS TO HIGHLIGHT THAT HE OPERATED story of Jesus to highlight that he operated and was interpreted within an entirely Jewish context and that only as the Church moved into the Graeco Roman world and then was blessed by the emperor it took on a starkly anti Jewish tone Carroll draws heavily on the work of the Jesus Seminar and other attempts to reconstruct the historical Jesus and The NIGHT. Erotischer Roman provides a scholarly androvocative look at JesusCarroll writes as a devout but critical Roman Catholic and so his uest is both scholarly and ersonal While doing an excellent job of both scholarly and ersonal While doing an excellent job of recent scholarship highlighting the Jewish context of the gospels and the writings of Paul Carroll does not take up the uestion of the Christian response to the modern nation of Israel and whether as some say that anti Zionism and anti Semitism are the same All in all this was a thought Dark Alchemy (Dark Alchemy, provoking book which causes one to re examine hisher assumptions about the Bible and the relevance of Jesus for today Carroll who wrestled so artfully with Christianity s andarticularly the Roman Church s denigration of Jews throughout history applies a similar treatment to what he calls a modern understanding of Jesus Christ Carroll argues that the experience of the Jesus eople changed radically in just the hundred years or so since the death of Jesus The explicit rejection of the Jewishness of Jesus says Carroll not only created the terrible history of Western Christian relations with Jewish eople that culminated in the Holocaust but also distorted the lens through which followers of Christ came to view Him Carroll take the Holocaust and the atomic bomb detonation at Hiroshima to be turning Die fremde Stadt: Breslau nach 1945 points in modern human history which challenge us to re examine existence including faith for a moderneople What he arrives at is a need for a simple faith but not a blind one Rejecting slavish devotion to literal textual interpretations he revisits the life of Jesus as man and as Jew in his time and lace He argues that the cataclysmic Roman violence against Jews in the first century shaped the opulation of Jewish Jesus followers leading them to explicitly distance themselves from other Jews as a means of survival Increasingly the hierarchical Western church devised a complex dogma based upon Hellenic The Dreamer Wakes (The Story of the Stone philosophy that became a selferpetuating religious machine that deviated significantly from the simple goodness and dignity of the carpenter from NazarethWhat Carroll concludes is that modern Christians need to find their way to an unknowable God through imitation of Jesus his humility compassion and service to others The book is well reasoned and well documented As is always the case with Carroll hard line Catholics will call him a blasphemous heretic while others theist and atheist alike will find much to consider I wanted to like this book I loved Constantine s Sword And I must say that after writing this review I find it valuable that I thought I would But it s a bit of a hard slog for some reason which is odd because much of it is historical Jesus scholarship which I often enjoy Perhaps it s because he makes a big deal of stuff that to me seems Rivers Last Longer pretty standard ie that Jesus and the gospels were deeplycritically formed by their context of living through a brutal Roman occupation Having read Crossan and Aslan and having studied this in graduate school none of that is new news for me Perhaps I ll skip ahead to the what does this mean and enjoy that For some reason hisrose style also feels tangled and awkward to me About every other aragraph ends with on this later which feels inelegant and like amateur hour in terms of writingI skipped to the end If you haven t read any historical Jesus scholarship and aren t familiar with modern textual critical and historical methods of scholarship on the texts and their cultural context this could be interesting However it s written in a very tangled style and Crossan and Aslan are better and clearer What he makes of all this in terms of the conceptual way he frames it feels like intellectual oatmeal there s no there there see the final aragraph The examples he gives of it are som. On that followed What Carroll has discovered through decades of writing and lecturing is that he is far from alone in clinging to a received memory of Jesus that separates him from his crucial identity as a Jew and therefore as a human Yet if Jesus was not taken as divine he would be of no interest to us What can that mean now Paradoxically the key is his ermanent Jewishness No Christian himself Jesus actually transcends Christianity Drawing on both

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Ewhat satisfying That Bonhoeffer s life is an interpretation of Christ actually in the middle of the twentieth century courage that is not separate from but embedded in the fear endemic to violence The German martyr was a man through whom the actual meaning of Jesus Christ clearly shines Bonhoeffer was a morally compromised man who opposed anti Semitism but refused to reside at the funeral of his sister s father in law who had not been baptized When Bonhoeffer joined the conspiracy to kill Hitler declaring himself ready to carry out the deed in erson if necessary he regarded himself as Plunged In Evil A in evil a evil than Hitler s to be sure but still evil uoting Charles Marsh Bonhoeffer s biographer Bonhoeffer moved within an inescapable The Wedding Redux paradox he gave his blessings to those who conspired to murder the Fuhrer while affirming the essential nonviolence of the gospel Bonhoeffer did not try to resolve thearadox by assuming moral innocence but accepted the Rolling Thunder paradox by incurring the guilt born out of responsible action 247 This seems an importantoint but it s buried deep in the book and surrounded with too many ualifications and grammatical circuitiesHis main Ye Castle Stinketh: Could You Survive Living in a Castle? points the surviving biblical texts must fundamentally be understood in the context of the extreme Roman violence against the Jews Hitler killed one in three living Jews a a ratio the Caesars may well have matched 54The Temple dominates the story of Jesus in 30 because the Temple in its destruction by Rome dominated the story in 70 of those who wrote the Gospel read the Gospel and heard the Gospel 58Instead of the usual way of seeing Jesus agony and death on the cross as uniue a one time instance of transcendent suffering extreme enough to redeem the fallen cosmos the view from the year 70 recall the ten thousand corpses hung on crosses ringing the Temple Mount would necessarily have seen the crucifixion of Jesus as mundane The consolation offered by the Passion account had to be less a matter of Jesus as the substitute sufferer than of Jesus as the fellow sufferer One could imagine surviving the Temple destroying savagery only because Jesus had Here of course is theower of the roclaimed Resurrection the hope that evolved into conviction that survival even of the worst fate imaginable was a ossibility nay a Bootie and the Beast promise 59the destruction of the Temple and the attendant mass violence wererecisely what created the urgent need among the Jesus eople for these texts just then 67Mark s apocalypse in Chapter 13 was an almost literal description of what was happening to the eople for whom Mark was written Horrors not hallucinations assaults come from warrior Jews attacking Jesus eople as rejecters of the anti Roman rebellion and always assaults coming indiscriminately from Romans who were crucifying five hundred Jews every day 72the Gospels ost death and Resurrection The Art of Mary Beth Edelson post failure to returnost Temple destruction and ost dispersal from Palestine attributed meaning to Jesus that he simply could not have embraced himself 125Buddhist connection Salvation Jesus says is the recognition of a God who is interested in rushing out in greeting with the fatted calf repared for the feast than in dispensing justice as the only God Creation is all the redemption we need Because this recognition happens now hope moves from the future to the Motivational Perspectives on Chronic Pain present 133random thing of interest from a footnote Crossan cites medical anthropologists to distinguish between illness and disease Disease isu How do we believe in God in the ost religious twenty first century How do we follow Christ after the Holocaust and the Death of God According to A stirring and challenging attempt to find the meaning history and relevance of Jesus Christ in a secular age Carroll seeks to recover a sense
the Jewishness of Jesus by how the records of his life became distorted by the early Christians who wrote about him Were this the book s only contribution it d still be worth reading although it is merely reaffirming the conclusions of other scholars of the last f Reads like a dated tract from the sixties dressed in 21st century drag like warmed over Tillich. Wide range of scholarship as well as his own acute searching as a believer Carroll takes a fresh look at the most familiar narratives of all Matthew Mark Luke and John Far from another book about the “historical Jesus” he takes the challenges of science and contemporary hilosophy seriously He retrieves the power of Jesus’ None Like Him: 10 Ways God Is Different from Us (and Why That's a Good Thing) profound ordinariness as an answer to his own last uestion what is the future of Jesus Christ as the key to a renewal of faith.